Forums
A A A
Topic RSS
Related Topics
2:36 pm
March 31, 2010
Offlineto whom it may concern:
#1 gripe –
if you see a band live and try to record a video with your crappy cellphone, don't bother going to Youtube and uploading a shaky, unwatchable clip that sounds like a walrus on the toilet after a big Mexican lunch. Nobody enjoys watching it and it makes you look like a tool. 
#2 pet peeve –
you paid how many hundreds/thousands of dollars for that killer amp head… FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO PUT YOUR BEER BESIDES ON TOP OF YOUR AMP!!! Anybody who's played live in a bar knows that one drunken chick that always manages to trip & fall over stuff… 
We now return you to your original programming. 
6:46 pm
June 20, 2009
OfflineHaha … good ones … here are a few of my own …
1) First Fret – why no inlay? Does it cost that much extra $$ to put an inlay on the 1st fret? Too many MFRs start on the 3rd fret, and this drivs me crazy. And, to be honest – some of those MFRs are favs of mine … but com'on … show some love for #1.
2) Cheeseball marketing crap. Maybe I'm just getting old, but do they still need rock stars to endorse products to boost sales? I guess so. Being that I don't sell guitars for a living, I don't know … but it seems kinda old.
3) Worse than #2 – is having artists endorse STUFF THEY DON'T PLAY!!! Why have I NEVER seen Tony Iommi play the Signature Series Iommi Epiphone I own? This should be illegal (false advertising IMO). In fact, the now out-of-print ad has some guy (not Tony Iommi) endorsing Tony's Signature Series Epiphone guitar. What gives?
4) Promoting Made in the USA when 1/2 of the components are NOT made in the USA … like an amp that says 'made in the usa', but has Chinese made Celestion speakers and components that are imported. I guess I ask myself … which part of it was 'made here'. Made and Assembled are 2 different things (IMO).
5) Celestions … why don't they say Made in China? Everything else you buy that is made in China says 'Made in China', which makes me believe Celestion still really wants people to think their speakers are made in the UK, even though most of them (like their #1 seller, the Vintage 30) is made in their factory in China. And, to be clear – I don't mind where they are made – but companies should stand behind their products, not hide the details of them (IMO).
Should I continue? :-)
The first fret isn't supposed to have an inlay otherwise, it'd have one
on the 13th as well and quite frankly, that looks odd IMO.
Mine would be the manufacturers who choose to only release a guitar in one or two colors…or maybe it's the release dates that get continually pushed back.
2003 Fender Stratocaster ¦ 2006 Fernandes Ravelle Deluxe ¦ 2006 Ibanez SZ320EX ¦ 2007 Ibanez RG2EX1 ¦ 2007 Yamaha RBX5 A2 ¦ 2007 Yamaha RGX A2 ¦ 2008 Fender CD140SCE ¦ 2008 Fernandes Dragonfly X ¦ 2009 Dean Espana CSCR ¦ 2009 ESP LTD M-401 ¦ 2009 PRS SE Soapbar ¦ 2010 Epiphone Les Paul Special ¦ 2011 Squier Cyclone
8:15 pm
June 20, 2009
Offlinenght5tlkr said:
The first fret isn't supposed to have an inlay otherwise, it'd have one
on the 13th as well and quite frankly, that looks odd IMO.
Ah ha … finally, a GOOD answer to my forever long pet peeve. This officially no longer bothers me :-), as your answer makes complete sense. However, with that said … for those companies (like Dean) who do show the 1st fret some love, here are one of those bad boys right there m/ :-) Thx nght5tlkr, again – good answer. I learned something new today!!
12:00 am
June 11, 2010
OfflineThe Tone King said:
3) Worse than #2 – is having artists endorse STUFF THEY DON'T PLAY!!! Why have I NEVER seen Tony Iommi play the Signature Series Iommi Epiphone I own? This should be illegal (false advertising IMO). In fact, the now out-of-print ad has some guy (not Tony Iommi) endorsing Tony's Signature Series Epiphone guitar. What gives?
SLASH!!!!!
I believe he mostly uses his 1987 Les Paul Standard now. I've never heard of a time he used any of his signature guitars. I guess its just the people who think they'll get the sound of the person the signature is made for… Or a cover band? =P
But hey, some signatures look nice (and I want!), like James Hetfield's signature ESP Truckster (especially the black one!), which HE ACTUALLY USES!!!
Another gripe:
Regional products–the rest of the world may want them too. ESP has so many more models in Japan (not to mention their artist series) whereas the US only gets but a small handful to choose from. The same goes for music, videos, games, cars, etc. About time they release the Ford Fiesta in the US.
I'm looking at you, VOX けいおん!amPlug.
2003 Fender Stratocaster ¦ 2006 Fernandes Ravelle Deluxe ¦ 2006 Ibanez SZ320EX ¦ 2007 Ibanez RG2EX1 ¦ 2007 Yamaha RBX5 A2 ¦ 2007 Yamaha RGX A2 ¦ 2008 Fender CD140SCE ¦ 2008 Fernandes Dragonfly X ¦ 2009 Dean Espana CSCR ¦ 2009 ESP LTD M-401 ¦ 2009 PRS SE Soapbar ¦ 2010 Epiphone Les Paul Special ¦ 2011 Squier Cyclone
8:12 pm
May 22, 2009
Offlinenght5tlkr said:
Another gripe:
Regional products–the rest of the world may want them too. ESP has so many more models in Japan (not to mention their artist series) whereas the US only gets but a small handful to choose from. The same goes for music, videos, games, cars, etc. About time they release the Ford Fiesta in the US.
I'm looking at you, VOX けいおん!amPlug.
That's a good one … regional products. ESP (I think) is the only one who does this. On a separate, but maybe related note … I read on Yahoo News (my source for news lately) that many Chinese factories are on strike, b/c they want in on some of the profits (I guess they caught on that they are wildly underpaid, and that most big businesses are making a killing on their labor wages) … which is making companies look to move shop further inland, or perhaps withdraw, and bring business back to the place of origin. IMO – if the above is true … if I had a crystal ball, I think this is evolution in the making. Perhaps the imported gear out there NOW is and will be better than what's to come. Anyway – back to your original note … what other brands have domestic series, that aren't available here?
Oh – and I should add this to the gripe list … companies that tout highly their place of origin (e.g., 'Made in the USA'), LOADED chock-full of imported parts … and I'm not just talking about the capacitors, I'm talking speakers, pickups, etc. Since you mentioned cars above … I don't recall specifics, but legislation was passed not too long ago, that forced car dealers to sticker the various breakdown (origin of build, percentage of imported parts, where they came from, etc.). I'm seeing a need for that in our industry, b/c the way consumers are making their decisions (e.g., Made in the USA), versus what's really in there – are 2 very different things. Nuff said on that topic!
Thoughts?
Nearly every company, Fender, Gibson, Ibanez, Randall, Yamaha, Godin, etc. does it. The thing is, not too many actually know that companies do this unless they also look beyond their region's line. For example, check out Gibson Japan and you'll see some models we don't ever see and/or hear of stateside and vice versa.
As for the imported gear and whatnot, it's not likely that the companies will move back. Rather, they'll just concede what little bit they need to keep the workers happy enough. They make enough profit that what little the workers demand is just chump change to the entire company. If not, they'll move locations to another developing country–it has been done countless times as I'm sure most everyone is aware. Even so, the quality wouldn't diminish too much, if at all, and would most likely improve over time. Take the Stratocasters for example. Japan was their budget models, then Korea, and now China. Japanese and Korean Strats are now highly sought after and perhaps the same thing will follow suit with the Chinese models as many have taken a liking to the new Squier series. If anything, companies should try and follow Peavey's and D'addario's footsteps for jobs in manufacturing back at home (here's a short video about D'addario).
Also, the products' origin is irrelevant to me for the most part and I will never understand those stereotypes. People in the states often complain about "Made in China" being inferior, but I don't recall anyone ever complaining about their transformers failing and frying their electronics (I would go as far to say 99% of all transformers are made in China). What's funny is, in the UK, they would never buy a US-made product because of the poor quality that comes with it. Personally, I couldn't care less where a product was designed and/or assembled as long as it works and the price is right. Craftsmanship is craftsmanship. If a product is completely hand-made, of course I'd expect a heftier price than if it were mass-produced. If anything, the stickers should say how many hours of work/what percentage was done by human and how much by robot–IMO.
2003 Fender Stratocaster ¦ 2006 Fernandes Ravelle Deluxe ¦ 2006 Ibanez SZ320EX ¦ 2007 Ibanez RG2EX1 ¦ 2007 Yamaha RBX5 A2 ¦ 2007 Yamaha RGX A2 ¦ 2008 Fender CD140SCE ¦ 2008 Fernandes Dragonfly X ¦ 2009 Dean Espana CSCR ¦ 2009 ESP LTD M-401 ¦ 2009 PRS SE Soapbar ¦ 2010 Epiphone Les Paul Special ¦ 2011 Squier Cyclone
10:59 pm
May 22, 2009
OfflineHey nght – I agree with what you noted. I feel the same. I don't care where it was made, so long as it's good build quality, and meets my expectations, I'm all for it. I am not sure I made my point above … it's not about me, or you, it's about the average consumer, and the marketing that gets pushed from the manufacturer, which intentionally confuses the consumer, by mixed marketing messages. On the topic of gripes … as we know, consumers not only get caught up in name brands, but place of origin, which is why it comes up. The average consumer things USA is better (whether it is, or is not is irrevelant … we're talking strictly perception) … and MFRs know this, and leverage it in their marketing. Example … there's an amp company out there (not going to mention any names :-) … who boasts 100% UK, UK, UK, UK, UK – meanwhile their amps are made in Korea. I'm tired of marketing messages of 'inspected in US, engineered in UK, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah). Why is KOREA not anywhere in their marketing message? Because (perception) it's considered less than a UK made amp, or a US made widget. That's the gripe. See, you and I are smart enough to know this, understand the dilema, and look past it for our own purchasing decisions, but the greater good of consumers out there see UK (which paints a pretty picture for them), and they pull the trigger to find out later that 'holy sh*t', … it's made in Korea. Here's another gripe (which again, I can't stress enough, that it's a gripe for the greater good of how people make their purchasing decisions, and has nothing to do w/ how I make my decisions) … The gripe gets worse … So, manufacturer X gives a fantastic marketing message of place of origin, b/c it's meaningful to the consumer. Consumer pays DOUBLE what it's really worth, b/c of the name!! So, they not only lure them in w/ their (debatable untruthful) marketing, but make consumers dig deeper in their pockets because of it! As a true 'for the viewer' guy – these are the things I wish most folks were a bit more educated about – only problem is (as you noted) … everyone does it, which makes it that much more frustrating. If marketing had less of a spin, was a bit more honest, and retail was truly associated w/ cost, versus perception in the name – consumers would win, though profits would likely be down.
Anyway – neither here nor there … again, I agree w/ all that you noted. In fact – most of what I own (probably 75%-ish) is imported. In fact -I love imported stuff, b/c it means I can buy that much more of it :-). And – if you haven't seen the Behringer factory video on YouTube – check it out. Tremendously clean, and very modern. It was very impressive. Apparently, there is a waiting list a mile long of people wanting to work at Behringer City, b/c the conditions are REALLY good, the workers are very happy, and this is a classic case in point that there is a manufacturer that truly does price things according to cost (which explains why their products are so affordable)!
About Japan, etc. … once again, can't agree with you more. I will say this … having owned many Japanese Fender Strats, and american ones – what is being produced today is tremendous. When I was growing up – there was a massive gap between what was good and what wasn't. Today, you can pick up a Squier Vibe series, which is EXCELLENT!! Hats off to Fender for making a fantastic product, that's priced appropriately, isn't over marketed w/ bs, and truly has construction and value in mind! And you're right – perhaps it just keeps getting better and better. For me, I often look at whats available today, and ask myself – 'how can it get better'? Maybe better components (tuners, pickups, etc.), but wood, fit, finish, details – even on inexpensive guitars – it's pretty darn close to perfect. Heck, I've seen some USA Custom Shop models that have more flaws and same symptoms (like wood shrinkage) than their $300 counterparts.
Anway – good dialogue :-). You and I really do think alike – it's a pleasure chatting about this stuff w/ you :-)
Completely separate note … I have vintage Carvin gear on my mind … I want a XT112 or XV112. I have the X100B head, but it just ain't as sweet as the combo version :-) And … I was in Guitar Center, and saw an Eric Johnson guitar with a BOUND neck!! That was the first time I saw a Fender gutiar w/ a bound neck. I did a bit of googling / ebaying, and didn't see any other EJ w/ a bound neck, which is making me wonder if that was a one-off, or a modified guitar? Know of any Fender guitars that have a bound neck? I would have bought the one from GC – but didn't feel like (or have) laying out 2k for it.
Have a good night nght. Tal ksoon!
admin said:
Completely separate note … I have vintage Carvin gear on my mind … I want a XT112 or XV112. I have the X100B head, but it just ain't as sweet as the combo version :-) And … I was in Guitar Center, and saw an Eric Johnson guitar with a BOUND neck!! That was the first time I saw a Fender gutiar w/ a bound neck. I did a bit of googling / ebaying, and didn't see any other EJ w/ a bound neck, which is making me wonder if that was a one-off, or a modified guitar? Know of any Fender guitars that have a bound neck? I would have bought the one from GC – but didn't feel like (or have) laying out 2k for it.
Have a good night nght. Tal ksoon!
You sure visit Guitar Center a lot, I'm jealous. I'd love to make frequent trips if not just to play with new gear although my GAS would only get more severe (I've been eyeing those amPlugs since I discovered them and have been looking for a company that's willing to ship to the US–and of course there's that list I made in the guitar section)
As for the Eric Johnson guitar, the models with a rosewood fingerboard have a bound neck. The only other bound neck models are custom shop, limited runs, or vintage (and vintage reissue) models that had block inlays (Jaguar, Jazz bass, etc.). BTW, Musician's Friend has the guitar $100 less than GC.
2003 Fender Stratocaster ¦ 2006 Fernandes Ravelle Deluxe ¦ 2006 Ibanez SZ320EX ¦ 2007 Ibanez RG2EX1 ¦ 2007 Yamaha RBX5 A2 ¦ 2007 Yamaha RGX A2 ¦ 2008 Fender CD140SCE ¦ 2008 Fernandes Dragonfly X ¦ 2009 Dean Espana CSCR ¦ 2009 ESP LTD M-401 ¦ 2009 PRS SE Soapbar ¦ 2010 Epiphone Les Paul Special ¦ 2011 Squier Cyclone
And now Epiphone releases a Japan-only Double-Cut
After the release of Larry Carlton and Tak Matsumoto's "Take Your Pick" album, you'd think they would perhaps expand their market to include other countries as well. Especially since the Elitist Signature Les Paul did so well…
Here's another one: Where did all my picks go?! You'd figure with a bare wooden floor, it wouldn't be hard to find coloured picks…
2003 Fender Stratocaster ¦ 2006 Fernandes Ravelle Deluxe ¦ 2006 Ibanez SZ320EX ¦ 2007 Ibanez RG2EX1 ¦ 2007 Yamaha RBX5 A2 ¦ 2007 Yamaha RGX A2 ¦ 2008 Fender CD140SCE ¦ 2008 Fernandes Dragonfly X ¦ 2009 Dean Espana CSCR ¦ 2009 ESP LTD M-401 ¦ 2009 PRS SE Soapbar ¦ 2010 Epiphone Les Paul Special ¦ 2011 Squier Cyclone
10:06 am
June 20, 2009
Offlinenght5tlkr said:
Here's another one: Where did all my picks go?! You'd figure with a bare wooden floor, it wouldn't be hard to find coloured picks…
Nice … same here. When I need a pick, I can't find one. However, when I'm walking around my house … I see them laying everywhere. Just not by my guitar. Heck – I have guitar picks in my cup holder in the car!! What gives? On a separate, but related note … I liked my TTK picks so much (via ClaytonCustom) … I just ordered some more. The white picks were made of Delrin material, which is a flat white. I like them better then the typical high gloss tortuise (is that how you spell it :-)?) picks.
Oh – here's a pet peeve … James Hetfield signature series guitar picks? Really? What's next? A signature series mojo bag of sand?
The Tone King said:
nght5tlkr said:
Here's another one: Where did all my picks go?! You'd figure with a bare wooden floor, it wouldn't be hard to find coloured picks…
Nice … same here. When I need a pick, I can't find one. However, when I'm walking around my house … I see them laying everywhere. Just not by my guitar. Heck – I have guitar picks in my cup holder in the car!! What gives? On a separate, but related note … I liked my TTK picks so much (via ClaytonCustom) … I just ordered some more. The white picks were made of Delrin material, which is a flat white. I like them better then the typical high gloss tortuise (is that how you spell it :-)?) picks.
Oh – here's a pet peeve … James Hetfield signature series guitar picks? Really? What's next? A signature series mojo bag of sand?
Funny you should say that. TBS sells K-ON! decorated bags of rice. If I were in Japan and had money, I'd probably get suckered into buying it too tbqh
Besides, Dunlop already sells the Eric Johnson signature picks. Then there's Dean who continues to release Dimebag gear periodically…
2003 Fender Stratocaster ¦ 2006 Fernandes Ravelle Deluxe ¦ 2006 Ibanez SZ320EX ¦ 2007 Ibanez RG2EX1 ¦ 2007 Yamaha RBX5 A2 ¦ 2007 Yamaha RGX A2 ¦ 2008 Fender CD140SCE ¦ 2008 Fernandes Dragonfly X ¦ 2009 Dean Espana CSCR ¦ 2009 ESP LTD M-401 ¦ 2009 PRS SE Soapbar ¦ 2010 Epiphone Les Paul Special ¦ 2011 Squier Cyclone
11:40 pm
June 20, 2009
OfflineWhat is up with 'Collector Guitar Magazine Covers'. Really? Do we really need to buy the same magazine 4 times? WTF is that??? How about a cool poster in the middle like they did in the old days. Instead of giving viewers more (like a cool poster) they hold us hostage in buying 2-4 magazines of the same kind. IMO=fail !!
12:00 am
The Tone King said:
Haha … good ones … here are a few of my own …
1) First Fret – why no inlay? Does it cost that much extra $$ to put an inlay on the 1st fret? Too many MFRs start on the 3rd fret, and this drivs me crazy. And, to be honest – some of those MFRs are favs of mine … but com'on … show some love for #1.
2) Cheeseball marketing crap. Maybe I'm just getting old, but do they still need rock stars to endorse products to boost sales? I guess so. Being that I don't sell guitars for a living, I don't know … but it seems kinda old.
3) Worse than #2 – is having artists endorse STUFF THEY DON'T PLAY!!! Why have I NEVER seen Tony Iommi play the Signature Series Iommi Epiphone I own? This should be illegal (false advertising IMO). In fact, the now out-of-print ad has some guy (not Tony Iommi) endorsing Tony's Signature Series Epiphone guitar. What gives?
4) Promoting Made in the USA when 1/2 of the components are NOT made in the USA … like an amp that says 'made in the usa', but has Chinese made Celestion speakers and components that are imported. I guess I ask myself … which part of it was 'made here'. Made and Assembled are 2 different things (IMO).
5) Celestions … why don't they say Made in China? Everything else you buy that is made in China says 'Made in China', which makes me believe Celestion still really wants people to think their speakers are made in the UK, even though most of them (like their #1 seller, the Vintage 30) is made in their factory in China. And, to be clear – I don't mind where they are made – but companies should stand behind their products, not hide the details of them (IMO).
Should I continue? :-)
With Celestions being made in China, I wonder why Wal-Mart doesn't sell them? lol
Most Users Ever Online: 66
Currently Online:
12 Guest(s)
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
theendofacircle: 902
VOXER: 733
The Tone King: 652
The Grin: 312
Jayhawk: 284
DLR_41: 283
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 2
Members: 439
Moderators: 0
Admins: 2
Forum Stats:
Groups: 5
Forums: 22
Topics: 1016
Posts: 7730
Newest Members: Willzino, Phoenix, psubull92, Metal671, mrchrissyb, randomguitarstuff56
Moderators:
Administrators: admin (127), nght5tlkr (409)




Log In
Register
Home






