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Noise reduction
March 11, 2010
8:17 am
julle
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Hey there, I need help. I bout a Randall V2 and I’m having feedback problems. I have the Boss NS-2 that I have tried both in the loop and in front off the amp, but it does nothing. In front of the amp it actually kills some off the sound.

I’m using the Tube over drive channel witch is very high gain but that’s the way I want it. What I don’t want is the hiss and the feedback that starts 0,00003 sec after I stop playing, its terrible. I Googled the internet and the Randall forum and came across a noise reduction pedal with name ISP decimator. The Tone King is really my king now a days and u have taut me very much, I was hoping of finding a review of this pedal, but I don’t.

The thing is, ISP have two pedals, they have the ISP decimator and the ISP decimator G string (funny name on a pedal, makes me think of panty’s, but I am Swedish) and there is a price differ of course.  http://www.isptechnologies.com…..;Itemid=64

Will anyone of these two pedals do the job for me? And if so witch one should I use? In my opinion the G string is more complex and I don’t really know where to put my other pedals or is that easy just to fit them in where they are suppose to go, witch TTK has tout me.

I don’t want to buy an expensive pedal that not does the job.

I have only used the amp head once and the tweaking of the EQ is not there yet, but, I read on the Randall forum that this was a problem. The level on the channel is about 9 o´klock (way below 12 o´klock witch is recommended) on the tube over drive channel. Yesterday had to switch to the overdrive channel and put a tube screamer in front off the amp, but this is not the way I want to play, I need to switch sometimes to a clean sound with out bouncing around like Fred Astaire, I’m looking for a KISS set up (Keep It Simple Stupid).

Pete

March 11, 2010
9:32 am
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The G-String has 'a loop', which is very similar to the Boss and the Behringer pedals.  The non-Gstring version is a straight in – out pedal.  The G-String has an in-out, and a loop, so if you wanted to run noisy pedals within the loop of the pedal, you can.

IMO, I like the added feature of the loop, but I think the price is very high.  I don't know why it's higher than (for example) the boss. 

Hope that helps.

Thanks.

Oh, BTW – I love Randall Amps, but they are VERY high gain, and with high gain, does come some hiss, so I do know what you're talking about.  Just back the gain off a little bit, and you should be good to go. 

Take care

March 12, 2010
8:40 am
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Hey again. I read your comment last night before going to bed, shouldn’t have done that, couldn’t sleep cause I was trying to figure this out. If I look at how you should hook the pedals up, the Boss NS-2 and the G-string, it differs. Yes, NS-2 has a loop that you can put the noisy pedals in, but that’s just an internal loop in the pedal. The G-string however is supposed to go both in front off the amp and in the FX loop, and that to me is different from the NS-2??? (and here comes the part where I don’t know how to fit my other pedals in with the G-string)

The G-string also uses the signal from the guitar somehow as referent in the FX loop, I guise to cut out unwanted hiss and I hope uncontrollable feedback.

This is some text from ISP Technologies site (on the G-string page):

”The most  simplified noise reduction system is a noise gate. A noise gate works by simply switching the signal path open or closed so the signal is either on or off”

This is also from ISP Technologies site:

”All of the Decimator systems are based on ISP Technologies patented Time Vector Processing™ technology to control the release characteristics of the downward expander providing a fully adaptive processing control circuit”

What the hell does this mean??

I’m sure, well not 100% sure that this pedal will cut the hiss out, but I believe so, but will it help me to get rid of my uncontrolled feedback, and yea, I can turn down the gain but I don’t want to.

The G-string is going to cost me 273-338 USD depending on if I buy it from Norway or Deutschland (nobody in Sweden has this), and that is a lot of money if it doesn’t work.

Her is a link of a diagram for the G-string: http://www.google.se/imgres?im…..CB4Q9QEwBA

Pete

The Tone King said:

The G-String has 'a loop', which is very similar to the Boss and the Behringer pedals.  The non-Gstring version is a straight in – out pedal.  The G-String has an in-out, and a loop, so if you wanted to run noisy pedals within the loop of the pedal, you can.

IMO, I like the added feature of the loop, but I think the price is very high.  I don't know why it's higher than (for example) the boss. 

Hope that helps.

Thanks.

Oh, BTW – I love Randall Amps, but they are VERY high gain, and with high gain, does come some hiss, so I do know what you're talking about.  Just back the gain off a little bit, and you should be good to go. 

Take care


March 15, 2010
9:07 pm
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Ah … okay.  From the diagram, this makes a bit more sense.

Watch this video : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..KRSy1uwl88

I basically mention, what the G-String does … that a noisegate pedal is as useful in the FX loop as it is on your pedal-board.  This pedal seems to do both.

Watch my vid – let me know if that helps answer your question a bit.

As for "All of the Decimator systems are based on ISP Technologies patented Time Vector Processing™ technology to control the release characteristics of the downward expander providing a fully adaptive processing control circuit"

I'm not sure … sounds very marketing-ish … I really don't know what that means. 

Check their website – maybe someone there knows the answer?

Thanks!!

March 19, 2010
6:38 am
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Well, I have to be honest with you, no I’m not sure what to do, but, your are still my king of tone. I did some more digging on the ISP site and found this: The Decimator ProRackG will also solve the typical high gain feedback or squealing problem that the high gain guitar player fights”

The Prorack G will solve the problems that I have but it will coast me twice as much as the G-string, actually more, we are talking about 700 bucks!! If I could try it out first so I knew if its going to work I could buy some flowers to the wife and get it cleared and explain that our daughter isn’t going to get any new clothes this spring, I am kidding of course.

I have to think about this but if I buy the ProRack G I will never ever have a problem with hiss and sk*t. If I do buy it I am going to need some help fitting in my pedal board, the quest continues.

I’ve seen the video earlier and I tried putting the dist pedal in the loop of the NS-2 after watching it but it did not work for me, it sounded crap.

Now my setup is back where I started with a dist pedal in front of the amp and the amp on clean, not the way I want to do it but the boys in the band isn’t giving me the eye that says “get our sk*t together”.

I will think about the G-string and the ProRack G and get back to you if I buy it and if it works.

BTW – Thanks for putting out those videos on YouTube, they are really help full.

Peter

March 28, 2010
12:14 pm
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You're very welcome Pete.  I hope it all works our for ya!  Rock on!!

May 27, 2010
5:48 am
julle
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Hi again

 

Well, I bout the dame G-string but it didn’t work. Well it worked but I had to adjust it so hard that it effected my tone so much that I didn’t have any sustain to talk about, so now I have very expensive pedal in the closet, lifes a bitch.

A friend of mind hade a Digitech RP 1000 that I now run in the loop of the amp head and things are going well with this, I really like this unit, its as close u can come to a switching system, running one amp for rhythm and a another for lead, love it. Mr TTK about this Digitech RP 1000, I know u like Zakk Wylde and I’m wondering you have made a patch that sounds like his tone?? I’m looking for his sound on the “No more tears” album??

 

Pete

December 31, 2010
9:49 pm
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the rack unit isn't going to fix the issue if the G-string hasn't fixed it.

 

You've got too much "noise" coming from your setup.  It could be 1 item producing too much noise or it could be a sum of several things all adding up to produce too much noise.

 

Cheap cables, cheap pickups, poor pickup wiring, poor input jack and pots on the guitar, bad soldering on the inside of the guitar's controls, cheap amps, bad tubes, bad power either to the pedals, fx units or the amp itself, etc…

 

all of these things can ruin your sound by dulling it or producing noise.

 

You just can't crank the amp's gain knob and expect a quiet experience if you have the amp loud and you're near the amp/cab…. it just doesn't work that way.  Not even the best cables, guitar, pickups, amp, etc will make that work.  I know from personal experience.

 

If you have to set the g-string higher than -20db then you need to either lower the amp's gain knob and the set a clean boost pedal with the gain all the way down and the output knob set really high.  This way you can give the amp a bit more gain and hopefully not any extra feedback.

 

I think that lowering the gain on the amp to the point that the g-string works when the knob is set between -30 or -40 would be the best approach… anything higher than that on the g-string and you'll risk it taking away a bit of sustain.

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