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Tone help!
February 1, 2013
5:04 pm
emaccarthy
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This is the exact tone I am looking for:

I have a blackstar HT20 Combo
I have a alder/maple superstrat 59/JB humbuckers
I have a tubescreamer

I got a deal on this amp but it came with an eminence Swamp Thang
speaker in it. It has so much low end that the tone I get out of it
always seems to be more along the lines of Black Sabbath, ZZ Top etc.
The tone that I want in my head is exactly this video as well as,
dokken, george lynch, ratt, van halen etc. I am thinking a speaker
swap might be in order. What are your thoughts/recommendations?  I am pretty much in awe of George Lynch's tone so I was
thinking maybe a Lynchback or something similar?…

 

Side note:

The amp has multiple speaker outputs to go from 16 Ohm to 8 Ohm and various combinations.  What is the sound difference if I were to go from a 16 Ohm to 8 Ohm speaker as the Lynchback only comes in an 8 Ohm.  Thoughts on this?

 

 

February 1, 2013
11:02 pm
Bruce
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both bands have trebly guitars, lower your bass, boost the treble and mids. for your tubescreamer back off the gain a little but boost the level and tone

February 2, 2013
11:13 am
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Thats what I have done so far.  The bass is at like 9 oclock and the mids and treble are both pinned.  tubescreamer is set to little gain with tone at 3 oclock and volume all the way up.  it is close but it still sounds suuuuuper dark and thick.  Not quite the punchy mids and treble of these snarly tones.  I was looking up the specs for the Swamp thang that came with my amp and it seems that speaker would be best suited for creamy blues or jazz or deep and dark thick metal stuff.  So I was snooping around and thought the Lynchback would be more suited for what I am searching for.

February 2, 2013
11:22 am
Bruce
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a speaker replacement couldnt hurt! its always fun to change things up too. a celestion lead 80 is a good speaker too look into also

February 4, 2013
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I had a conversation (I believe w Mike Soldano) a long while back on what speakers those 80's guys used – and the answer was simple – Greenbacks, b/c the old marshall cabs had GBs in them.  The Vintage 30 came out (I believe) in 86, so it was still new then.  (Remember – starving musicians always used older / vintage gear … so I suspect there were more GBs in those mixes than any other speaker).  Based on the year, and my conversation, that is the best educated guess, w/ out really knowing for sure.

 

Remember also, both of those records were using much differently voiced gear than many use today.  I suspect GL was using Soldano or SS Randall amps (watch my recent interview w him for the full story), but I'm not sure about XYZ. 

 

Frankly speaking – for $200 bucks, I suspect an ADA MP1 on eBay will get you exactly what you need :-) .  Those 80's tones are pretty damn unique, but the sound soooo good :-)

 

Hope that helps a bit

 

Oh – and for what it's worth – I don't recommend a GB in a 1x12 – the wattage is too low.  But, if you want the GB tone, check out the Eminence Private Jack (higher wattage, and very close to a GB, if not the same tone / feel), or a GB12 from their Legend Series for a bit more bite than a standard GB / PJ. 

February 4, 2013
1:24 pm
Bruce
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i have a 4x12 with greenbacks and i love that cabinet more than anything. Theyre 25 watts per speaker so I agree with tone king on not having them in a 1x12 (with exception to small lunchbox amps like a night train or tiny terror, etc). I do like that celestion had done research for awhile and just came out with a creamback which is a higher wattage greenback at 65 watts so a 2x12 can handle a 100 watt head.

February 5, 2013
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Thanks for the tips everyone!  So many damn choices out there.  I did some research and finally decided on the Celestion Lynchback.  It is 8 ohm impedance and is 50 watts (same sas the private jack).  My Blackstar tube amp has multiple speaker outputs and is only 20 watts so switching to the 8 Ohms Lynchback shouldn't be a problem and the wattage should be manageable.  I can't wait to install it and hear how it sounds.  I am also just a sucker for anything Lynch….  

 

From what I could gather it is based on the Greenback but with more clarity on top with a higher power handling.  I guess George used to mix his old Celestion GBs with a cleaner speaker (JBL, Altec, Fane, EV, etc) to capture the best of both offerings.  The Lynchback is supposed to capture that balance and be a type of hybrid between the GB's and the Fanes….  Should be interesting….

 

any last thoughts out there?  

February 5, 2013
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sounds like a great speaker, i hope it works out for you! let us know how everything goes and maybe you can post some pictures :) we all like to admire other peoples gear

February 5, 2013
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Will do.  Once I have installed and played it I will take the time to upload pics and give the scoop on how it sounds.  Thanks for all the help and pointers everyone!

February 8, 2013
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Lynchback arrived and is installed.  To say the least it sounds AWESOME.  Great vintage overdriven tone.  Nice tight bass with punchy snarling mids that really cut through.  I love it and I am still tweaking the settings on the amp but so far it is great.  A great change from the booming lows of the Swamp Thang.  That is a nice speaker but not really what I was going for.  I think I hit the nail on the head with the lynchback.  Flawless in my eyes

February 10, 2013
2:37 pm
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glad to hear its the tone you were looking for!

February 11, 2013
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Good stuff.  I never heard the Lynchback – but it would make sense that it may be something along the lines of a higher rated GB style speaker.  Glad to know you dig it!  I'll have to check em out!  Thanks!

March 3, 2013
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Ok I still searching for the tone…

 

With the new speaker installed it is close but still not exactly what I hear in my head.  I am starting to think about selling this amp and maybe getting a Carvin V3MC.  With the blackstar I have the bass at like 10/11 oclock and the treble maxed out with the mids 3 oclock and the ISF at about 3 as well.  It seems to be a vary dark sounding amp It has good classic rock tones ACDC, ZZ Top etc but still lacks some kind of saturation/sizzle that cuts.  I still am not getting that Dokken/van halen sizzle/sparkle.  The Carvin would obviously be a bit more money but I wanted to know what people thought about the combo and whether I could not only get classic 80s metal tones but also more modern joe satriani (flying in a blue dream/extremist) type tones.  It looks crazy versatile with all of its many features and also seemed smalled and lighter than the blackstar too which would be a mobility plus.  What are your thoughts?

March 3, 2013
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GL: “All of the guitars on that record were recorded pretty straight forward and without a lot of overdubs or effects. There are two rhythm tracks on all of the songs, one done with a Bogner Uberschall and the other with a Diesel VH4. Both are really nice amps and very similar in tone. For the solos, I used the Bogner and a Marshall JCM800 (vertical jack) that was modified by John Suhr. For my clean and jangly tones, I used a GT solo. I believe that’s the name of it. It’s a small 1X12” combo that you can swap the tubes out in. I used everything from the EL84 to KT88’s. It’s an awesome sounding amp, and I have to thank Aspen Pitman for coming up with that one. I also experimented with a few different mic pre’s, which also play a huge part in getting your tone right in the studio"

 

i found this online for you. he played very expensive gear in the studio and live so unless you have similar gear you wont have that same kind of tone. most of the time he was playing out of a jcm800 or a plexi so the basis of his tone was a hot rodded marshall

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